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not figuratively inyan, but actually.  certainly heaven exists, fundamentally, as an idea.  surely we can agree on that much.  and sure, perhaps there is a real place somewhere in space and time that could match with your image or my image.  certainly there could be this place heaven.  but for now, it is only an image, an idea, a belief.  if i have an image of heaven and you have an image of heaven we are conflicted ideologically.  but if we see that heaven exists, fundamentally, as an image, we find heaven actually.  that is, we find communion.  truth.  intelligence.  fact.  harmony and the rest of it.  put differently, if we see that heaven exists as an idea, and that when one identifies with an idea about heaven they are limited to perceive, think, act, through that veil of opinion.  but when one is free from identification with ideas, they are free to find actuality.  they are free to see that heaven exists only as an image.  and it might exist too. 

is that not it sir?     

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what is heaven sir?  is it not an image?

Is Heaven an image to you? I would say that if that is so then it is so then it is.
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what is heaven sir?  is it not an image? 
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General Discussion / Re: Music you listen to
« Last post by Seaside Chief on December 04, 2017, 04:15:33 PM »
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General Discussion / Music you listen to
« Last post by Inyan on December 04, 2017, 11:14:39 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QD9G9tG7WXQ

Chillin in the backwoods Jawga Boyz
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General Discussion / Re: The Peyote Way Church Of God
« Last post by Seaside Chief on December 02, 2017, 04:25:31 PM »
indeed.  now sir, are you to suggest that it is time which strips man of his arrogance?  that it is time that humbles him?  is that it sir?  if that is it, then perhaps we can discuss the matter of seeking. 
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General Discussion / Re: The Peyote Way Church Of God
« Last post by Inyan on December 02, 2017, 01:24:57 PM »
apologies sir, the meaning behind your metaphor still eludes.  would you put it into laymen's terms?  terms so simple, the good speaker can discern its meaning and so reach communion with you sir?

The clock raises its own hand as if to shout, but merely laughs as it holds the watchers britches high in the air. In so doing, humility draws near.

A clock can symbolize time and often does. A raised hand draws attention as if it be called on. Britches being hung high alludes to the watcher being stripped. In being stripped one is often humbled if not embarrassed. That which has provided protection or shielding has been let go or perhaps stolen. And yet it is time to let these protections go. We often protect ourselves with our own internal dialogue for instance.

You have to excuse me as I sometimes think on more than one level when trying to explain certain concepts as the truth is something that I feel has many different levels of understanding. It is something best unraveled by the one that seeks to understand and yet you are absolutely right… sometimes clarification is needed. The question is often do we seek that answer from within or do we seek it from without? For me, I see merit in both.
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General Discussion / Re: The Peyote Way Church Of God
« Last post by Seaside Chief on December 02, 2017, 11:53:42 AM »
apologies sir, the meaning behind your metaphor still eludes.  would you put it into laymen's terms?  terms so simple, the good speaker can discern its meaning and so reach communion with you sir? 
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General Discussion / Re: The Peyote Way Church Of God
« Last post by Inyan on December 02, 2017, 08:28:33 AM »
wait, who's britches are you holding in the air?

 The clock raises its hand as if to shout, but merely laughs as it holds the watchers britches high in the air. In so doing, humility draws near.
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