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should i graft this?
« on: February 10, 2015, 01:03:50 AM »
do you see the very small red one?  it has been alive(ish) for over 2 years looking just like this. 

the others have multiple heads.  i'm hoping they will be crested. 

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Re: should i graft this?
« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2015, 01:05:56 AM »
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Re: should i graft this?
« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2015, 01:07:12 AM »
Your doing good keeping this one alive so long. With that being the case, I would not experiment with this one until you have a few more grafts under your belt. Not that I think it will be a problem, I just think that if you have to ask... you need some more confidence building grafts. The older the specimen is the easier it is to graft.
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Re: should i graft this?
« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2015, 01:08:16 AM »
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« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2015, 01:11:24 AM »
You have quite a selection to begin practicing with. As I said before, the older and larger the scion is the easier it is going to be to graft. With scions that size, I would expect a 98%-100% success rate with those... but again... take it slow and try one or two. Graft the bottoms and the tops and that's already 4 grafts from two specimens.
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Re: should i graft this?
« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2015, 01:12:57 AM »
with the red one i should have said, "do i have to graft this?"  meaning is this one of the rare ones that has such little chlorophyl that it needs grafting?  i will wait a bit to graft the crested ones for sure.  i can mess around with other seedlings first.  but do you think that's what they are? 

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« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2015, 02:16:27 PM »
Multiple heads could just mean they have multiple heads such as L.w. var. caespitosa or hybrids thereof. Your red one is one I would personally have no problem grafting providing my grafting stock was actively growing like yours. I think you will find it extremely easy to graft after you have a few more seedlings or larger specimens under your belt. My estimated time frame for you based on your desire to learn and what I've already seen of your attempts at grafting already is perhaps one month. I honestly think that if you attempted a single graft... really two grafts as you graft bottom and top... that you will learn enough by watching your progress that you will be confidently grafting that red one at that time. Think of it this way when it comes to grafting... some experts say to hold the seedlings in place even on Pereskiopsis and use parafilm for example to do so. This also holds in the moisture. Others say, simply graft and keep humid. Others will hold their seedlings in place with a small weight such as a microscope glass slide for the first day and then remove the weight and place in a humid environment. These are techniques I have seen master growers and hybridizers use. Each technique works for them and yet they differ. That is why I have adopted the best techniques from them all... that and I understand why they work. For example, humidity works because it keeps the surfaces from drying and pushing away from each other. Humid conditions by itself may sometimes fail because their is not sufficient connection because the two were not pushed together in such a way as to align the surfaces or the scion was damaged, etc. Weights work because they push the surfaces together thus negating the need for increased humidity at the start as the cut surfaces under tension do not dry out as quickly. Humidity works, because the fluids between the tissues when pressed together act to suction the seedling to the cut stock and helps to prevent the cut surfaces from drying out and pushing apart. This method fails sometimes because there is air trapped underneath the cut or the cut was not perfect. The bottom line, I try to use all the methods of improving my success when making a graft with young seedlings and not rely on any one method whether it was tried or true. It is too simple to both hold a scion in place with a substance such as parafilm that also increases humidity and keeps the tissues from drying out. The parafilm also acts as a weight or binding agent ensuring that if their was some air trapped underneath it does not get worse. It holds the seedling down. Additional increased humidity simply improves the process and makes the finished product at the early stages look that much better and heal that much better. However, humidity by itself without the barrier of parafilm might let in infection which could also ruin the graft. So, there are many reasons for grafting in the different ways you see others grafting. I simply try to  incorporate the best practices to ensure that those grafts take with the least amount of trouble. I can assure you that any scion over the size of your a month old seedling should be relatively easy to graft with just a little bit of practice. The difficulty only comes with small seedlings under 14 days of age if your stock is actively growing.
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Re: should i graft this?
« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2015, 12:42:43 AM »
yeah ok.  i'll get a few more right and then try the red one.  i'll let the two headed ones grow out a bit for now.  i read somewhere that using honey around the graft will both keep moisture up and has antibacterial qualities.  is this true?   

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« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2015, 07:17:31 PM »
I've never used honey for that, but I imagine in theory it could work. If I'm so inclined, the furthest I've taken it is to use parafilm and sulfur dusting around the edges to get the same effect, but to be honest, I don't always use every trick up my sleeve to graft as I find that they aren't all needed. I only take extra precautions and steps when I have a surplus of grafting materials to do so with, I have a particularly rare and small specimen, or I'm making a seedling graft just a few days old. As for your honey suggestion, I'd like to see someone try that and who knows, I may experiment with it myself as I have several cacti that need grafting soon. Had to purchase some actively growing stock recently... keeping my fingers crossed it arrives soon and is as promised... ready to be used as stock.
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« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2015, 11:29:20 PM »
nice.  what type of stock?  if i could use honey instead of a humidity tent i'd rather do that.  i will experiment with one of those.  but first need to work on the parafilm/saran method.  do you think it's ok to try and graft to one of the growing tips of that pereskiopsis i just chopped up.  its not rooted in a pot yet but there are roots sticking out of the coconut plug.  seems i could graft to that, eh? 

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« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2015, 07:13:45 PM »
Just thought I would share this with you as I'm writing about your grafting attempts. Sorry I haven't checked back with you sooner, but by now if your growing conditions are good your Pereskiopsis should be rooted and growing again so they should be fine for grafting. When in doubt, I'd tend to err on the side of caution though and wait another week if need be. With that said, I hope you like the eye candy here. I've noticed quite a few crested and variegated specimens of this one going around here as of late and as you said you were interested in crested forms for grafting and breeding with I had to share this picture with you. This is what is called a grandfather pejuta and totally incredible by most people's standards.
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Re: should i graft this?
« Reply #11 on: February 17, 2015, 10:21:06 PM »
that thing is unreal!  how old do you think it is?   it has to be at least 50 years.  truly amazing.  here's my first little guy inching along.  gonna wait one more week then graft onto this other growing tip.  the germination rate of some of the regional varieties was poor so i'm going to practice a few more times before i start grafting them.  then i'll go for the red one.
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Re: should i graft this?
« Reply #12 on: February 18, 2015, 07:28:44 PM »
Your little graft is doing great! Congrats on that one. As for the age of this one... I have no idea. Your guess is as good as mine on that one. You could graft on an Opuntia compressa and have one looking like that sooner than on its own roots and not be able to tell, but whatever you wish to say about that specimen it is a stunner. Definite eye candy.
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Re: should i graft this?
« Reply #13 on: February 18, 2015, 11:33:36 PM »
i guess that one must be on some type of stock, aside from it being so big it's in a pretty shallow pot.  am am super eager to try more now but i think i should wait a bit longer for the other pereskiopsis with the exception of one or two of the growing tips.  i'll post pics of my next attempt in a couple of days.