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Second Attempt at Grafting Loph to Pereskiopsis Spathulata
« on: January 26, 2015, 12:33:13 AM »
well there we go..  didn't go as i initially planned.  i hope at least one of them will take.  i kept the scion on the blade until i made the other cut and then slid it on.  i pressed down on it pretty hard for a good minute and a half.  i wanted to use saran but was too worried about breaking the connection.  i then cut a thin slice off the bottom half and did the same thing again.  i plan to keep the humidity high and the container very still for maybe a month and then look for signs of new growth.  let me know if i made an error or if you have any tips for next time.

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Re: Second Attempt at Grafting Loph to Pereskiopsis Spathulata
« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2015, 12:39:36 AM »
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Re: Second Attempt at Grafting Loph to Pereskiopsis Spathulata
« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2015, 12:41:08 AM »
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Re: Second Attempt at Grafting Loph to Pereskiopsis Spathulata
« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2015, 01:00:40 AM »
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Re: Second Attempt at Grafting Loph to Pereskiopsis Spathulata
« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2015, 06:22:17 PM »
You might want to close the bottom of the bag up so as to hold more humidity in. It is really important to keep humidity up during the initial grafting before growth starts. My fear is that with those holes in the top of your bag and your bag wide open at the bottom that too much moisture may escape. As for the saran wrap method, you needed to trim those top leaves back a good inch down the stem if you were going that route as otherwise it would not hold very well and would prove to be unwieldy when attempting to place it over your specimen. Don't worry though, you have made a good second attempt and if you can keep the humidity up you have a good chance at success as your Pereskiopsis is healthy and appears to be actively growing. That is very important and something you simply can't rush. You can practice the saran wrap method with a pencil to get your technique down. Simply remove the eraser from the top of the pencil while it is in a pot and then attempt to hold it in place while pulling the saran wrap down and over. Attach clothespin and its done. Again, the saran wrap holds the scion snuggly against the stock and also keeps the humidity up. Let yours be for now and simply increase the humidity by closing that bag up tight and if you can provide a little bottom heat to create a light mist in the bag itself.
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Re: Second Attempt at Grafting Loph to Pereskiopsis Spathulata
« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2015, 11:39:20 PM »
awesome!  thanks man.  bag's closed up.  heating mat beneath.  hopefully it hasn't dried out too much since last night.  i'll practice with the pencil and try again later this week.  i totally imagined the process wrong.  pencil eraser style i can do.   

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Re: Second Attempt at Grafting Loph to Pereskiopsis Spathulata
« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2015, 03:55:22 PM »
No worries my friend. I could have explained that process better. The good news is that the bag is closed up now and you have the heat mat in place. The bag being closed is not critical in the early stage as the Pereskiopsis is still exuding fresh juices from its cut, but after the initial 6-12 hours after the cut is made it becomes more important. With that said, I am sure your bag placed over the specimen and not closed did add a bit of humidity more than you would have otherwise... just not much more. Live, learn, and practice and you will have it down pat and most importantly find out what works best for you. There may still be hope left for these grafts and I definitely would not give up hope. Keep an eye on them and watch for signs of new growth as well as signs of drying out.
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Re: Second Attempt at Grafting Loph to Pereskiopsis Spathulata
« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2015, 12:04:11 AM »
yeah i will man.  thanks again.  you've been big help.  the bag was only open a few hours tops.  either way there's always something gained in losing.  had i not been grafting onto offshoots i think i would have visualized it better. 

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Re: Second Attempt at Grafting Loph to Pereskiopsis Spathulata
« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2015, 10:39:31 PM »
it looks a little bigger to me..

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Re: Second Attempt at Grafting Loph to Pereskiopsis Spathulata
« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2015, 12:58:33 PM »
It looks like it very well may have taken to me. The important thing is that your stock is healthy and growing before you make the cut and it appears that prerequisite was and is excellent. I personally wait for side shoots to begin forming and then remove them as soon as they appear big enough to detach as any side growth will take energy away from the graft. I don't worry about removing the bag until I see good growth from both the stock that has been removed and the scion itself has grown noticeably. When you remove the bag, this should be a slow process where the bag is opened just a little bit at first. Allow for a few days with just a little opening and so on. The idea is not to make too many changes in humidity too fast. I have good feelings on this one. Just don't rush it. Rushing grafts like this will make a perfect graft go bad and a slightly imperfect graft go from salvageable to hopeless quick. Good job on this one my friend.
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Re: Second Attempt at Grafting Loph to Pereskiopsis Spathulata
« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2015, 12:20:41 AM »
thank inyan.  i took a side shoot off the other day for that reason.  i debated it at first because i was considering whether the slowed growth might help the graft take.    i will start with a little cut in the bag and go slow from there on.  i'm splitting up some more pereskiopsis tonight.  i am not particularly fond of working with this plant. 

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Re: Second Attempt at Grafting Loph to Pereskiopsis Spathulata
« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2015, 01:30:54 AM »
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Re: Second Attempt at Grafting Loph to Pereskiopsis Spathulata
« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2015, 07:11:39 PM »
I must confess, I absolutely love those jiffy pellets for rooting cuttings, leaves, etc. Looks like you have at least 36 Pereskiopsis going fairly strong. Looks like you will have a nice stock to begin grafting with and it will only grow from there I'm afraid.
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Re: Second Attempt at Grafting Loph to Pereskiopsis Spathulata
« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2015, 11:26:23 PM »
i'm glad i pointed the tips to know which way was up.  otherwise i would have been screwed.  i need to to invest in some proper gloves too me thinks.  i taped up my fingers but was still pulling out glochids. 

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Re: Second Attempt at Grafting Loph to Pereskiopsis Spathulata
« Reply #14 on: February 06, 2015, 08:05:58 PM »
Glochids can indeed be a pain. I seem to always have a few stuck in my hands as of late as I've been harvesting wild Opuntia compressa for grafting. Mind you, I also have Opuntia that has been bred to have virtually no spines and no glochids that I like to graft with as well. My personal preference is to have more than one type of cacti for grafting as they each seem to have their advantages and disadvantages. It feels very good to see your collection growing strong. I am sure you will soon be on your way to making your own crosses and grafting your own seedlings.
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