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another shot at grafting to pereskiopsis...
« on: February 26, 2015, 12:41:05 AM »
i will keep the humidity high.  the rest is up to Xenu.   

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Re: another shot at grafting to pereskiopsis...
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Re: another shot at grafting to pereskiopsis...
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Re: another shot at grafting to pereskiopsis...
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Re: another shot at grafting to pereskiopsis...
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Re: another shot at grafting to pereskiopsis...
« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2015, 06:03:59 PM »
Looking good. Your bottom end up graft should do fine the way you have it. You may experience some slight lifting, but nothing to be worried about unless the humidity drops too much.

Your other graft... cling wrap will experience less problems with lifting providing you candled it and it was secure in all places. With that said, the main danger or concern with cling wrap the way you have it is that it may tug or pull at the graft as it is released. Be slow and careful. Did you Lock the cling wrap in place? Clothespin, twisty tie, or even a rubber band can be used for this as it may release tension otherwise. One unsightly method that works when it comes time to release is to take a razor blade and slice into the cling wrap along the side or edges of the Pereskiopsis if it appears to be too hard to pull off due to being wrapped too much... that or just have a lot of patience as you unwrap. Slow and steady.... no pulling, fast movements, etc. Again, only worry about cutting into the wrap if it does not seem to want to release and fall of on its own. Generally, this is not so much a problem with cling wrap. Looks like you put a few layers on though so take it slow when removing it.... Did I mention take it slow?
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Re: another shot at grafting to pereskiopsis...
« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2015, 10:00:47 PM »
awesome thanks.  i learned a couple of things here for sure. 

here's what i did:
1.  prepared the stock by removing some of the leaves. 
2.  wrapped the stock with a piece of saran that i now know was too long. 
3.  made my cuts leaving and places the scion on the stock.
4.  held down for two minutes.
5.  carefully let go and placed a 2 inch x 1 inch piece over top and pulled down on either side. 

here's where i ran into some trouble: with my one hand tied up holding down the saran it was very difficult to wrap over the folded piece to secure it.  next time i will definitely use a clothespin.  that was the piece i was missing.  also parafilm clearly has more stretch than saran. 

6.  both of the coco plugs were moistened up put in airtight bags and are sitting on an warming pad. 

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Re: another shot at grafting to pereskiopsis...
« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2015, 08:05:52 PM »
Grafting is as much an art as it is a science. You have to know the basics and look for signs of why each graft fails or is imperfect and then everything begins to make more sense. With that said, each graft you do you will learn something from as what works in the summer may not work in the winter. Another good trick when you have an unprotected graft is simply misting it from the top lightly to keep the humidity up a few times a day. You don't want to spray a seedling graft from the side as you may dislodge it or cause it to lift up. You've chosen two different styles and I think you will be pleased with both methods. Don't worry if one of them isn't perfect. These are among your first and I still mess up a graft from time to time. Applying too much pressure and not enough humidity for instance will cause your smaller scions to dry out and crush them in the process. Its always a learning experience as the more you learn the more you learn to deviate and try new things or skip steps and sometimes it bites you in the but and sometimes you learn something new.
Keep up the good work as I don't see anything I wouldn't personally do... to include forgetting a rubber band or clothespin to keep the cling wrap in place. It happens. The best thing you can do now is to apply a rubber band or clothespin gently over the piece and not worry if it dries out a bit. Remember, the more the cling wrap loosens the more surface area for the scion to loose moisture....
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Re: another shot at grafting to pereskiopsis...
« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2015, 11:40:30 PM »
i tried to place them all in that container carefully one by one not bumping any of the grafts.  then i gave it a couple of mists and covered it last night.  i worry now if i applied too much pressure on some of the smaller ones.  i really did give it some good pressure a couple of times around…  not gonna mess with it now though.  i would have used more elastics/clothespins but that was all i could find.  i tried to strategically place them to avoid unwrapping.  i hope some of them take.  i put quite a few tops and bottoms on them. 

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Re: another shot at grafting to pereskiopsis...
« Reply #9 on: February 27, 2015, 11:55:58 PM »
that last one i thought we were talking about the opuntia.

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Re: another shot at grafting to pereskiopsis...
« Reply #10 on: February 28, 2015, 11:23:33 AM »
Relax, it looks like you did very well. The few small differences in opinion and that is all they really are... are not enough to make your grafts fail. Too much pressure can sometimes damage your small seedlings and that much is true, but this is all part of the learning process. You have made excellent grafts for your first go round and I see success... not failure. You decision not to mess with them... also an excellent decision as only you know how they feel and many times the smarter decision is to simply let a graft take its course. You don't need perfect. You simply need success that you can learn from. For that matter, even failed grafts teach us something. That is why I personally like pushing the envelope of my own skills and trying out new techniques. If something doesn't work for me... I don't give up. I see what went wrong and learn from it. Perhaps my lighting was not the best, humidity was off, or I should have been more patient with a particular stock. Grafting is an art and a science. The more you graft the more your skill will grow in being able to discern what will help in  your particularly growing environment and most importantly... you will know when to leave well enough alone. Your already starting to do that so your a fast learner in that regard. My hat is off to you for all of these grafts you have done on your own. I may of provided you with a little guidance, but it is you that has listened to your cacti and yourself. You've done what you felt comfortable with and that is perhaps the most important part of grafting and something that simply can not be taught.
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Re: another shot at grafting to pereskiopsis...
« Reply #11 on: February 28, 2015, 01:20:13 PM »
another issue i had with the bottoms was trying to place the wrap over the odd shaped tap root.  what i did was likely a mistake but i sliced the tap roots off so i could wrap them flush.  I'm not sure if this act will dry out the scions too much…  do you have a technique to deal with this issue?   

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Re: another shot at grafting to pereskiopsis...
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