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Pejuta
« on: January 01, 2015, 01:35:36 PM »
There are many methods of preparing pejuta. I will share a few of those that I have experience with.
1, 1 button dried eaten size of palm. Tastes bland this way.

2. Glass jar, fill 1/8-1/4 full of fresh or dried pejuta with root removed. Fill with water and let soak for 1 week in sunlight. Add honey to sweeten. Tastes too good to be true.

3. Glass jar, filled to same level with pulverized dried pejuta brought to low rolling rumble for 1 hour. Tighten lid onto jar and let sit buried for one month. This is the most aesthetically unpleasing method I've known and will remind one of diarrhea in almost every way from consistency to looks, but it is also one of the most potent methods I've had.

4. Dried and powdered. You can store this type of pejuta in a glass jar and seal indefinitely. When your ready to partake you pull out a pinch and place in the palm of your hand. Add a little bit of water and roll into a gumball size in your hand.
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« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2015, 10:32:23 PM »
before people go mowing down on any cacti, they first must always ensure their actions are both safe and legal.  ..and even if that's a go, shouldn't there still be a couple of prerequisites?  i imagine you could recommend a few important reads given your background.  i've linked one below.  there are a lot of people i run into everyday that should NOT be eating any cactuses and i wouldn't want cacti to get the same negative attention salvia divinorum received after people attempted to use the plants recreationally (not medicinally) without first having an deep understanding of the traditional use of the plant and more importantly themselves.  as the ancient proverb goes "...a piece of wood can be used to both build a house or make a bullet." 

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« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2015, 10:50:35 PM »
The fact that you interpret pejuta which means medicine... as cacti... means you've done some research already. If you've already done that much research, then you probably don't need my preparations showing how to make traditionally prepared medicines. I do agree with you though that any bit of knowledge can be dangerous in the wrong hands and in the right hands that same knowledge is perfectly fine. The same can be said for knowing how to drive a car. Some are fine behind the wheel of a car... others not so much. While this may be an oversimplification of things... I do feel your frustration.
    As for having a deep understanding of traditional use of the sacrament in question and a deep understanding of oneself... as for these being important.... Let me address the later first. Many partake of these sacraments to gain a better understanding of themselves and the world around them or at least that is what is thought by many to be had from ingesting these substances. With that said, there are a great many ceremonies that exist in many cultures that have a similar aim. The vision quest which in Lakota is hanbleceya or crying for a dream... is one such ceremony. Not that the Lakota have a monopoly on the vision quest. Many other Native cultures have their own vision quest. At its roots, the vision quest in the Lakota version is a deprivation of food, water, sleep, etc., etc. It is thought that through this deprivation that the body is purified and energy or medicine that would normally go to bodily processes such as breaking down food, defecating, etc. is freed up to allow one to experience a different world. Please, let me go further to state that anyone wanting to experience anything more potent than Salvia divinorum or any cacti induced experience for that matter need go no further than their own bodies. You need no special training, money, or any other b.s. that someone may say you need. What you need to have this experience is simply the time to devote and the will to see it through. I see many complain about how rights are restricted and certain things are not allowed and how they are being striped of this chance to experience the divine or this or that... these are all just excuses however. The freedom of religion act was not signed until 1978 in America and even then that freedom was conditional. If you think there is freedom of religion... I think you have blinders on. There are enough restrictions on what we are allowed to perceive and how we perceive and that is the basic premise behind many of these ceremonies. It is about letting go of these misconceptions and self dialogue we have been trained to accept as normal and true and right. The method of vision quest that I personally went through was to fast for four days without food, water, or sleep. Simply standing for 4 days in this manner... that is one of the traditional Lakota ways. I chose to go up in that traditional manner. What I wish to say about it is this... no plant, cacti, etc. can compare with the experience that one can gain naturally in this method. So long as the body and mind are not outlawed these types of experiences will be free and available to anyone who wishes to truly understand and have these types of experiences. Interestingly enough, the Taoist had their own vision quests as well. http://www.universal-tao.com/dark_room/enlightenment.html
I insert a link to the later as many are familiar with one style or another of Native American vision quest and not so many are familiar with other cultures vision quests. The bottom line is that it is my personal belief that we are not as free as we think we are and we are not as bound as we think we are either. There is good to be had from being a follower just as there is good to be had from setting out on ones own and trying to figure things out without any outside influence. Who am I to decide who should be qualified to know themselves and who is not qualified? How am I to truly know who will benefit and who will not from a particular practice? In the traditional manner, pregnant women partake of pejuta and talk of how the baby dances in the womb. There is no age limit or restriction.... I'm not sure who owns the spirit and who is qualified to demand prerequisites in any real sense, but I know many will try to sell you on the need for this or that. For me, I see that there are people that may be looked at as guides as they have been there and done that before. They may color the waters good or bad and their guidance maybe needed or maybe not. I can tell you that there is a colorful experience to be had no matter which road you take and that in the end one has to deal with any action whether it is legal, illegal, safe, logical, illogical, etc... in the end it is the individual who has to deal with the repercussions of any of those actions and that is as it always has been. As I repeat, the freedom of religion act was not signed in America until 1978. Before that, there was no freedom of religion and even then... that freedom came with strings and was no true and absolute freedom at any rate. If a cacti for instance is truly a sacred sacrament then how can it be reserved for just one group of people? How can one make it illegal for those not white to be catholic and partake of the catholic sacraments? It is all in how you view it, but is it morally right to exclude one race from any religion? Is it morally right for one group to have a monopoly on a sacrament? If there is a divine presence or spirit in a plant or cacti... is that spirit prejudiced against all other races? If there is truth to be had... is that truth not there if that truth is deemed illegal by one culture, but legal in many others? I don't wish to turn this into a philosophical debate so I'll leave it at this... I don't believe there is religious freedom in any real sense. I believe that if you believe we have religious freedom then you are deluded. I believe that any new experience must be approached with caution if there is no guidance. But then I am reminded of those little babies dancing in the womb without a care in the world to the medicine that is theirs. Where is their guide?
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« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2015, 01:51:23 AM »
firstly, i agree with basically every word you wrote and am somewhat envious of how quickly you articulated your ideas.  in fact, i understand so deeply that religious freedoms are constrained that i am uncomfortable expressing myself candidly even anonymously in an online forum like this.  i worry that an overseer may misperceive my words.  i worry that words i type in will motivate someones kid to be hurt by some black market concoction.  ..so the last post served primarily as a disclaimer.  i am a gardener.  not a doctor.  i think this is an important distinction given the nature of the subject matter and the nature of the society to which we are intertwined.     

i couldn't agree with you more that certain plant medicines have helped some people tremendously (allegedly), but i believe that some people have been psychologically damaged by them as well.  i believe understanding what causes this fork in the experience is synonymous with understanding the cultural practices.  the four days you spent hungry and alone with only nature and your thoughts was not done in vain.  it was an integral and calculated part of the experience. 

i also couldn't agree with you more that the most truly amazing experiences can be found in every single second if you know how to look at it.  imagine how intricate the mechanics of something so simple as standing up and taking a breath of fresh air.  this pile of bloody neurones makes millions of tiny calculations to manipulate the unaware musculoskeletal system.   millions of chemical signals swapped across every micrometer of this machine in complete perfection.  then its innate urge to draw in sustenance particles takes over and it widens these inner sinuses allowing for the intake of invisible life providing particles.  particles that are mostly empty space.  and are somehow shared for eternity.  amazing.  and that's just one way of looking at one simple overlooked detail in an infinity of amazement. 

i'm not sure about during pregnancy though.  although it doesn't seem to be teratogenic from the limited information i can find - the four day fast seems dangerous to a developing fetus. 

thanks for the thought provoking post and links.


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« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2015, 02:09:46 AM »
Nice one indeed. Everything is in the perspective of the individual and the society. This includes those things that are most often overlooked. I also believe you are right to have concern for all the counts you mention. Good one by the way.
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« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2015, 01:14:28 AM »
so i watched a 5 part documentary series this weekend which is also relevant to this topic.  it was called "we shall remain"  for some reason this was not shown in history class.  i knew some of this to some extent but... wow.       

part 1 of 5
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« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2015, 06:51:54 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgFXxD_RPdA

This man here, Leonard Crowdog was the spiritual leader of Wounded Knee. He is recognized as the spiritual leader of over 49 tribes. English was his second language and he is perhaps the last Lakota who was taught the traditional ways from his elders without the influence of white culture as he was kept out of white schools. He went on this first vision quest at 13 if memory serves me. This man is responsible more than any other for the legalization of the Native American Church in the late 70's under president Jimmy Carter. He is a powerful speaker. I sundanced at his place, Paradise, in the early 90's. What can I tell you other than it is absurd that there are laws regulating who can practice and how you can practice a religion that existed long before there were European laws in this country. We exist in a land that prides itself on freedom of religion and yet we have laws that regulate a cacti that is looked upon as a sacrament by the people that follow the red road, the NAC, roadmen, etc.... and religion should not be enforced or held illegal by those that believe in the freedom of religion on which we pride ourselves.... We are not a nation that has true freedom of religion and we never have been. To believe in these things is to be deluded by the government, by the public school system, and most importantly ourselves. Amazingly, pejuta is deemed illegal. Pejuta grows slowly and is available in ever decreasing quantities in the states. We are effectively exterminating a belief system slowly and surely while many other cacti that grow faster and are also potent remain legal? There is a hypocrisy at work here when we consider that we have freedom of religion in the states as even our first nations do not have true freedom of religion as they have so many rules regulating how, who, and when. When I can go to home depot and acquire cacti with the same questionable properties as the sacred pejuta and I can grow that cacti easier then I have to wonder... just where are our priorities?
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« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2015, 03:12:00 AM »
i agree completely.  it seems the absurdity and hypocrisy run deep.  so deep most of us remain unaware.  in some ways his point about already being handcuffed applies to everyone.  as for the illegality of certain plants, it seems at the heart of this might be both conflicting definitions of individual sovereignty and the inability to obtain a patent on naturally occurring compounds.  it clearly has nothing to do with safety or efficacy.  i'm stunned at how we collectively accept giving amphetamines to children who find history class boring while locking supposedly "free" adults in cages for sampling from the incredible flora of this planet.  it's clear far more people are harmed by sanctioned drugs like alcohol, tobacco and the semisynthetic opioids.  people are generally becoming more aware of this so i see the tables of society beginning to turn.  still unfortunate so many were hurt. 

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« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2015, 09:08:47 PM »
I agree, we are handcuffed by society, culture, and even ourselves. I remember talks that I have had with various medicine men as well as general practitioners. Some believe only those of 3/4 blood should be allowed to participate in ceremonies, some believe 1/4 is okay. Others believe that religion should not have a blood quota. Others think the old way should be kept pure and unadulterated and yet others have adopted elements of Christianity into their ceremonies having a picture of Jesus present at the peyote ceremonies and even on the altar. Others would argue that the white man is robbing them of their culture when they take elements from it and introduce it into their own... and yet we see the same happening in reverse and it is okay. The bottom line seems to be that whoever is doing the talking and in power is the right one and has the right view and everyone else is wrong. Religion is just like culture... it adapts, changes, evolves, or it goes extinct. That is my view and I'm just as guilty as the others as I think I'm right, but I'm also open to debates either way and not too wrapped up in needing to be right. The Macaw feather has been adopted by many and introduced into the beautiful beadworked peyote stitched fans used in ceremonies and we all know that these feathers are not native here in the USA. The bottom line is items, ideas, etc... they flow or not. They can be like a running water in a stream or they can stagnate like a pond that does not drain. We can choose to remain handcuffed or we can choose to be free. I for one love the sound of a peyote drum with the water inside. As it the water ripples inside with each beat so too does the sound change. The effects of the rattle and the fan... in the end these are all just tools used in the trade to facilitate changes in the psyche of those that are there to experience life in a different way than might otherwise be possible. As the old saying goes, why reinvent the wheel if it works..... That does not mean to me that one can't or shouldn't try to improve on the wheel.
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« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2015, 03:11:24 AM »
good point about being handcuffed by ourselves.  the more i practice mindfulness the more i realize this to be true.  this makes me wonder if living truly unrestrained is only accessible through the ultimate psychedelic experience, death.  only then are we free from our fears and obligations.  only then are we free from the limitations of this ever failing human incarnation. 

anyways, i believe that all of the people you described are right.  i believe you are right.  and i am right.  i even believe jihadi john, nancy grace and joseph stailn were right until the moment they chose to infringe of the freedoms of others. 
projecting beliefs where they are not welcome is a cancerous social behaviour no matter what direction it's coming from.  hopefully, the truth will catch on eventually.

as for the debate over blood fractions, i consider myself to be native to this planet- not to take anything away from any historical injustices.  to me, all other suggestions are social constructs.  we are all composed of recycled dinosaur farts.  we were all ejected from the same infinitely swirling molecular soup.  we all have nearly identical self sustaining mechanical blueprints forging our cells.  i consider everyone to be of the same substance. 

i agree with you about culture and religion.  they come and go just as entire species do.  just as entire solar systems do.

the experience as you describe sounds incredible.  i don't think id be able to tie one of those though.   
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« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2015, 06:36:32 PM »
The first time I heard a water drum was out on Crowdog's Paradise at the Sundance. To me, it was truly incredible hearing those drum beats roll over those hills. The trick to working with rawhide or leather when you need it to stretch is to soak it in warm water first. When it dries it will be even tighter than it was when you made your instrument. Yuwipi rattles are another instrument that is very important to the Lakota and generally only used in Lowampi or Yuwipi ceremonies. Peyote rattles or gourd rattles are made differently from those and are generally a bit more decorative as one type of rattle is used in the light and the other is used in darkness. Music is definitely a part of these ceremonies and without it much of the experience is lost. There is much symbolism involved in the making of these instruments. http://www.crazycrow.com/crafts/tying-up-peyote-water-drum.php
That will complement the post you made. There are some peyote songs down lower that you may be interested in listening to.

As for your mention of death, I was told prior to Sundancing that some have been known to die during that ceremony. As it was explained to me, they give into the spirit and choose not to return. I look at the elements of ritual, sacraments, etc. as tools that can be adapted by those that know how to use them. These tools are not static nor do they belong to one culture. The Taoists went into caves by themselves in a similar manner to how many Native American cultures vision quested. Jesus fasted for 40 days in the desert... another type of vision quest. The main types of vision quest I have been exposed to along the Lakota path consisted of either standing for four days and nights without food, water, or sleep. Another method was to stand buried beneath the Earth. This was done by digging out a hole or finding a natural hole and covering it so as to obstruct light. Still another way is buried laying down and to many this is harder as it is easier to fall asleep and should not be attempted until you have done one of the other ways. Still another method that is used is to go inside of an inipi or sweatlodge for the same duration. This is obviously done sitting up and has the added benefit of having the ability to have large stones brought in. The stones mind you are generally glowing red and if done in the traditional manner is much hotter than any sauna you could imagine. I've been in sweat lodges were it is not uncommon to leave with blisters on your back. You have to know what your doing with many of these tools as it is very easy to overdue it and seriously injure or kill someone if you don't know what your doing.
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« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2015, 12:22:03 AM »
cool i'm checking out these songs right now.  just sucks i have no idea what their saying.  i can definitely see how this complements the cactus. 

and blisters?  wow.  is the shape of the structure partially to blame for that?  must be reflecting back onto them somehow.  still that's nuts.  this reminds me of a poorly done documentary i once saw where the documentarian refused to take the medicine and was terrified of the sweat lodge.  i found it a bit laughable.  worth a watch though...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSVd7f2j_Oc

what could you tell me about the experience of standing outside awake for 4 days?  that certainly takes an incredibly strong mind.  would you share what you saw or realized? 


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« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2015, 12:43:31 PM »
I've done the Lakota vision quest several times. Since this is a Pejuta thread... I will entertain you with the memories of a vision quest done with Pejuta. Mind you, I have generally do not use Pejuta on a vision quest as it is not needed, but it can certainly alter the speed or onset of experiences. Let me begin with the basics of how a vision quest is supposed to work as it was relayed to me.
First, there is the reason to vision quest and then there is formed the intent to vision quest. If the reason for vision questing is sufficiently strong then the intent grows as one prepares oneself for this experience. The preparation phase can and does often take up to a year before one is ready to vision quest after declaring ones intent. Traditionally, as I was taught, one declares your intent formally by offering tobacco and or a pipe at the very beginning to a spiritual leader, medicine man, yuwipi man, etc. It is at this time that you discuss your reasons and if accepted you will begin more serious preparation. You will make prayer ties in the colors of the 6 dirctions most generally for a vision quest. Prayer ties are looked at as books that are read by the spirits that will visit you and form the boundary of your altar where you are to stand. Prayer flags are also made and are much bigger with tails that stream down the lengths of the small trees or staffs they are attached to. Both prayer ties and prayer flags are filled with tobacco and serve also as offering to the spirits. So, the making of these things must be done in a mindful way. You have to have the intent and reason filling your every movement while you are making these so they are imbued with these thoughts, emotions, etc. The serve to prepare you and to prepare the spirit world with a ready guide to what you need. Mind you, what you need may be different from what you wish. It is generally expected that you will go to as many inipi or sweatlodges as you can during this year of preparation. As a general rule, at least one sweat lodge a week is to be expected, but there are no real rules. Many may sweat multiple times in a day and some may sweat many times in a week. The sweat lodge is another ceremony in and of itself that has much symbolism surrounding it so I will not try to do it justice here.... suffice it to say that it is viewed as a means of purification at the simplest level as well as a tool to become more in harmony with the world.
I will jump to the actual experience here and describe what I have felt and seen. Day one, I am feeling a bit afraid as night is upon me and I am all alone. I hear trees breaking and falling as there is a storm. I have been told never to leave the altar under any circumstances so I stand still. I hear a rattle snake beneath my feet and I am scared to look down. This keeps me still and alert however. In the morning hours I attempt to lower my head down. I move my head at the speed of the movement of the hour hand of a clock in my mind. I am paying attention to my speed as I can hear the snake that could kill me at my feet. I have no real plan other than to bring the snake into view. At what I think is perhaps midday...I finally gaze upon the snake... that is really a moth beating its wings against my pipe as it fights with an ant for its life. I think about how powerful those two are. In a battle for their lives the entire night without stop. How weak I am in comparison with my thoughts of hunger. My thoughts of how painful my feet are beginning to feel simply standing there.... not having to fight anything other than my own weakness.  My thoughts change to thoughts of admiration and wonder and this gives me strength to continue. Time begins to slip away from me and seconds seem like days. The best I can use to describe this experience is perhaps the experience that one has Sally D... Next I see a plague of flies surrounding  me and landing on my beautiful prayer ties. I think, they must be attracted to the sweet pipe tobacco I used. How in the world I thought to use sweet tobacco is beyond me. I am now kicking myself figuratively for this mistake. I know I am not allowed to kill anything or defend myself from attack while on this journey. I can only stand and allow these flies to surround myself and land on me as they will. I try to relax and eventually over many hours I would guess... but it could be seconds.. there is no real way to know... I look at the flies and they are all turning into beautiful blue lights. I've been told that spirits often manifest as colors and take the form of various size orbs of light and these seem to appear to be about the size of small marbles lighting up the night and dancing around me. You come in and out of these types of experiences when on a vision quest. During the daylight hours in a moment of clarity one of my supporters came up and offered me some tea. I thought that this was unusual as there is generally no contact with supporters other than hearing their voices in song from a far off distant. I was deathly thirsty and as tea was being offered I assumed there must be a reason for it. Whatever the reason, I was weak and was not going to turn down any source of hydration at this stage in the game. I had been dreaming of ice cream, hot dogs, pork, you name it in the many moments of lucidity I had. These dreams tortured me rather than helped me, but still I indulged them. So, when in this weakened state I was offered tea... I took the jug and guzzled it down trying to fill every inch of my stomach before the tea could be jerked from me. My supporter and dear friend told me... hey, slow down their fellow. This is medicine. By then, it had hit me. This was peyote tea done sun tea style and as such it lacked a strong peyote taste. The visions received after this were no more spectacular than those received before the ingesting of the tea, the main difference at this point was that they were more fluid and without the interruptions that can be seen with a typical vision quest where one comes back to this world and this reality for periods of time that can seem to stretch out to an eternity. Time then for me at least and in relation to vision quest time is thus sped up and the time spent in the spirit world is more full. What I mean by this is... in a vision quest you can see spirits or elements that will seem to be a part of this world such as when the flies where a part of this world and yet spirit. Elements within this world and those of the spirit world can exist at the same time or you can be a part of either world in its totality and sometimes you don't know which is which. With the addition of tea to this experience you are more fully involved in that other world or spirit world and totally leave this world behind. I hope this helps your understanding of what was experienced, but to be completely honest these types of experiences can not be put into words. There is no way for me to be as brutally honest about how much I craved such mundane things as different types of food, companionship, etc. during these days or how such a short period of 4 days can seem like many moments of eternity shared with losses of time where moments of vision that seemed like minutes revealed that many hours had passed... so much sometimes that one wondered whether you were up there for 7 days... panic would settle in and then you might feel like... yes.... I should go down. Something has happened and I could save lives by going back now and every moment I wait things could be getting worse. These excuses are the excuses we give ourselves when we are on such a vision quest... we just need to find the right excuse to allow us to come down and stop our vision and return to normal life. Please, take this with a grain of salt as this is a reflection of one of my vision quests and as the old saying goes... your mileage may vary. What is certain is that for anyone undergoing such an experience in whatever form or tradition you will face challenges and some of those challenges will be unique to your own self... your own individual weakness or fear. Each time is different for me, and yet there always remains elements that remain the same.
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« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2015, 01:10:23 PM »
The shortened version is that Pejuta makes the experience easier in many respects while one is vision questing with this medicine and time goes faster over a longer period of time while one is experiencing this medicine. Pejuta taken in conjunction with a vision quest also seems to pull one deeper into these visions than would be possible with either technique alone for such a long duration. This is not to say that you can't go as deep with a vision quest alone, but simply that the duration of each dip into that alternate reality or spirit world is not as long objectively. Subjectively... the experience of time is such to the person experiencing it that one gets lost in time and one wonders whether moments have passed or days regardless of the method or combination of methods. Much of this is my own personal bias or beliefs taken into account only after the experience is over and I can look at it through a different perspective. Pejuta is an excellent tool that enables one to experience the vision quest or elements of it at least. Pejuta definitely adds to and deepens the experience of a vision quest, but not perhaps in the ways that you think they might even after reading my account. What I am trying to say here is that you can vision quest and vision quest many times and your experience will be just as powerful or more so than your many attempts to use Pejuta to produce a similar effect. The two in combination definitely provide a synergy that is hard to duplicate if it is even possible to do so... I have no idea. It definitely requires less willpower to vision quest with Pejuta than it does without it so this too affects the experience as their is not as much internal conflict with your internal dialogue with Pejuta added to the vision quest experience. For this reason, I would suggest that if one were going to utilize Pejuta during a vision quest that one use this medicine only for the tail end of the experience as it may be too much to deal with if done in the middle of the experience, but perhaps this is just my individual bias.
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Re: Pejuta
« Reply #14 on: February 03, 2015, 10:26:19 PM »
wow.  thanks for sharing.  definitely entertaining.  i was more interested in hearing about the vision quest without pejuta.  the sleep deprivation, the fears.. the places your mind must go.. indescribable I'm sure. 

i could see how the medicine would make it easier if timed correctly, but could be disastrous if not.  you must need a full week for this with recovery time included.