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Offline sprac

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« on: November 09, 2015, 06:27:55 AM »
So sprac has some dried peru he ade tea with. after noticed litle black nold onsome of the cacti after straining. sprac just wants to drink this as he sees extracting as a pain and the solvents very loud.

Looking like its going in the misscellaneus bin for when enough has been accumulated to make it wothwhile.

question is wold boiling the tea plent down to a smal amound adding more water for more boiling time remove bacterias. my gut says ill be fine but y brain says other wise think heat wont breakdown all possible mold metabolites. better play it safe ad see how one of the monstroses is potency wise.

also in the past i dont remember much if any tolerance wth mesc. whats your experience?

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Re: Mold
« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2015, 09:11:58 AM »
I would toss it. I ate some peyote that was infected with some kind of pathogen and not I have a severe allergic reaction even from the smallest amount of cacti in my system.

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Re: Mold
« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2015, 04:41:51 PM »
mycotoxins can be bad news.
some can make ya sick fast, others delayed damage to liver ( and other things)

purity of work is important.

even the best labs have quality control losses.

over time, health safety and reputation,
exceed any lost specimens/ experiments  value.

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Re: Mold
« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2015, 06:46:50 PM »
This stuff is going to extraction; either going to do a regular a/b usinge vinegar then sodium hydroxide xylene then backsalt with hcl/water.

or maybe try a "dry" tech using calcium hydroxide and pulling with  anhydrous acetone and adding citric acid and freezing..  i havent tried this way yet. prbly going to stick with regular a/b although last time (and first time) it didnt seem to work well it may have been the cacti... not a known potency there..

i'd like to see more extraction data on here so maybe I wiill write something up next time; this time has been kind of haphazrd, randomcactis etc.

would like to start cloning down the line and testing different variables to see what making the cacti put out the mesc..  then we can find sweetspot for efficiency

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Re: Mold
« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2015, 05:09:31 AM »
imin the middle of extractig this along this with other cacti in the batch,,

should mycotoxins makeit through an extractions? would high ph kill them?

i know there are manymycotoxinsand secondarymetabolites but is there a relativvely sure way to kill most?

this willbe done shulgin stlye, testing amgthen10 then 20 then 50 then a 100 if done
would hate to lose all that mesc,,, if so sprac is extracting a big piece of crested pach
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Re: Mold
« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2015, 04:40:15 PM »
hard saying with concentrated mycotoxins.....
all depends.

here at " annie labs" ,
we run a tight ship, all biomass is carefully inspected to be toxin free.

some types of toxins arent damaging immediately.
your doctor just wonders why your 35 and your liver scan looks like you drank grain alk daily for 50 yrs.

bottom line, annie always suggests to not play with mycotoxins.

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Re: Mold
« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2015, 05:45:41 PM »
hmm ok

so there aremany dif mycotocins and most of them are likely to cause liver damage which could be strong enoguh to cause failure if enough is taken or it could add sccumulative damgetoyour liver(my liver cant be good with all the dxm i used to take etc)

do you have any idea what mycotoxins aare likely to be formed incacti? my guess is they would be myried kinds since imthinking its whatever is in the air etc when it starts molding,,

will be a  shame but i might have to throw all this away,,, looks like i have mesc and other alks as i have no idea what else could crash out from the drytone pulls when adding citiric saturated tone; big clumps crashed right out on the first 2, and only pulls so far, i did. i washed this with mroe dry tone to get rid of more impurites though i would do anothe wash

then i was thinking of redisolving and basing with sodiun hydroxide thinking a high ph would destroy sometoxins but then again who know, then i would re salt with hcl

i will prbly do this anyways to see if this tek works and to practice mytechnique; would be cool to get nice metalic looking needles of hcl even if eating themis a dubious idea

also i did try asmall amount,little finger dab, of the extract and no ill effects, this was such a small amount thousgh

weird thingis it didnt taste bitter,maybe slitghtly bitter, but i cant ifnd any info on what mesc citrate would taste like

im more interested in seeing if this tek worked,maybe i will pricurse somne reagent tests

so i will prbly making agood tea and sparing some cactis lives to make uo for the failure; maybe big chunk ofcrest pach to test for potency and graft the rest of the chunk to my big well rooted normal bridge

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Re: Mold
« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2015, 03:46:31 AM »
you know me sprac,
anne halonium always stands for lab safety. purity, and cleanliness.

as shaman alchemists ,
we must always set the highest standard.

its about us indeed,
but, its also about setting health and safety standards for the future practitioners!

in the future, peeps will say alot of things about annie.
im cool with most of it.
but, let it never be said i compromised bio safety!

let your legacy be mastery of bio forms, and not compromise.

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Re: Mold
« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2015, 05:11:02 AM »
yeah it is not worth it, going to en up doing full extract to see how clean i can gett he xtals looking

got to start grating etc and find someone to hold down fort if i have to go away forr a bit