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Offline Meatloph

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Lophophora Jourdaniana
« on: December 07, 2017, 08:23:56 AM »
Salutations all! I would like to start a conversation about Lophophora Jourdaniana. What are they, where do they come from, can fertile seeds be produced etc. There is a lot of contradictory info out there. If you have experience with them, let's try and get to the truth.

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Re: Lophophora Jourdaniana
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2017, 08:30:32 AM »
This is one of mine from my private collection. This next spring I will attempt to get viable seeds by pollinating it with the pollen from another. My understanding so far is that they are a cultivar and cannot produce their own viable seeds. Does anyone have any first hand knowledge about these gorgeous Lophs?

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Re: Lophophora Jourdaniana
« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2017, 02:19:22 PM »
Sorry my friend. I have only anecdotal knowledge concerning that specific gem you have there. However, on the other hand I do have a ton of first hand practical knowledge and learned knowledge both when it comes to hybrids.

So, let me break that down to you. Yes... some hybrids are very hard to set seed with. Some hybrids are called pollen fertile or pod fertile depending on the way seeds have been produced with them. Sometimes it may indeed take several hundreds of crosses to get a hybrid to take or set seed.

Some hybrid seed even when formed will abort. I've had that happen more times than I can count. The pod will form... seeds will be empty or never make it past what I expect is the 8 cell stage.

Here is a handful of hybrid seed from Datura... I hybridize anything and everything that blooms in my yard... these seeds... I have yet to get any of them to germinate and neither has anyone I have given them to. That does not keep me from trying however.

I have experience growing out some cacti seeds that simply throw out a lot of variegated specimens. Again... genetics is a funny thing when dealing with hybrids. I suspect many of the contradictory things you are hearing about this one is due to the hybrid nature of this particular cacti. Hybrids can be very fickle. Don't give up if your trying to pollinate it with another specimen, self-pollinate, etc. Just keep records and remember that chromosome counts can vary just as pollen grains can vary in a single cultivar.
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